DUST Search - Oculus Rift is $599. Oh well, no Valkyrie for me.

Foundation Seldon wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Foundation Seldon wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

You're wetting my blanket and I don't appreciate that. (I mean, really... no one would)

Can't you understand I want it to fail?

After what CCP has done to Dust, Karma is a welcome guest to this dinner table. Don't go chasing her off.

They made a less than stellar lobby shooter (with some really cool ideas, the act of customizing a fit is really fun) on a platform that was on its way out and weren't able to achieve some of their overarching ambitions with the title. That puts them in league with like ... almost every developer ever, sometimes **** doesn't work out.

Some of you guys act like CCP killed your dog or something, sheesh.

Screwing a game up can be forgiven. I'm referring to how they treated the Dust community afterwards. Rouge wedding notwithstanding, They did not take responsibility for their promises and screwups, they got caught between milking the existing playerbase and sweeping the whole affair under the rug.

What makes CCP deplorable in this situation is that they attempted to do both at the same time. Respectable individuals do not do that kind of thing. CCP openly does.

To make things worse is that when given the opportunity to right the wrongs of the past, they decided to chase a high-risk venture like VR instead. That's a complete lack of integrity. And yes, I am openly hoping for them to fail because right now they deserve the sting of failure.

So they made a less than stellar game, announced a complete reboot of the Dust 514 concept with Legion (albeit in a pretty terrible way, the Rouge wedding was lol), went on immediate damage control after Legion and explained that assets would be transferrable from Dust. Later on they noted that they'd never again end up in a situation where they announce or show off pie in the sky 5+ year vision statements with little actual completed progress (there's your 'taking responsibility'), and then recommitted some of their resources with Rattati's team in making Dust on PS3 the best it could be within the limitations they were working under.

They were never obligated to do anything with Dust post Rouge wedding and that they have is apology enough in my book.

Regarding chasing 'high-risk ventures like VR' instead ... what do you think CCP is supposed to do as a business here? The positive reception around the original EVE VR tech demo was enormously positive and they saw an opportunity to become the face of Year 1-2 VR. Currently there is not a single game that looks better than Valkyrie announced on any VR platform right now and they've set themselves up to be bundled in with every pre-ordered Oculus shipped. That you think any of the above has done anything to their 'integrity' as a company probably means that you'd be better off stepping back for a while, if you genuinely feel 'offended' by the notion of how a multinational corporation decides to spend their money (especially when it's for ya know, videogame projects) then I think you've become too emotionally connected to be objective about all this anymore.

Besides, Valkyrie is CCP Atlanta's baby. We have literally no clue what Shanghai's been up to since Rouge.


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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.06 23:09:00 - [1] - Quote I guess this means Valkyrie has officially flopped and CCP can turn their attention back to Dust, amirite? This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.07 06:18:00 - [2] - Quote You're wetting my blanket and I don't appreciate that. (I mean, really... no one would) Can't you understand I want it to fail? After what CCP has done to Dust, Karma is a welcome guest to this dinner table. Don't go chasing her off. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.07 08:01:00 - [3] - Quote I simply recognized hubris when I see it. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.07 22:40:00 - [4] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're wetting my blanket and I don't appreciate that. (I mean, really... no one would) Can't you understand I want it to fail? After what CCP has done to Dust, Karma is a welcome guest to this dinner table. Don't go chasing her off. They made a less than stellar lobby shooter (with some really cool ideas, the act of customizing a fit is really fun) on a platform that was on its way out and weren't able to achieve some of their overarching ambitions with the title. That puts them in league with like ... almost every developer ever, sometimes **** doesn't work out. Some of you guys act like CCP killed your dog or something, sheesh. Screwing a game up can be forgiven. I'm referring to how they treated the Dust community afterwards. Rouge wedding notwithstanding, They did not take responsibility for their promises and screwups, they got caught between milking the existing playerbase and sweeping the whole affair under the rug. What makes CCP deplorable in this situation is that they attempted to do both at the same time. Respectable individuals do not do that kind of thing. CCP openly does. To make things worse is that when given the opportunity to right the wrongs of the past, they decided to chase a high-risk venture like VR instead. That's a complete lack of integrity. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.10 04:12:00 - [5] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're wetting my blanket and I don't appreciate that. (I mean, really... no one would) Can't you understand I want it to fail? After what CCP has done to Dust, Karma is a welcome guest to this dinner table. Don't go chasing her off. They made a less than stellar lobby shooter (with some really cool ideas, the act of customizing a fit is really fun) on a platform that was on its way out and weren't able to achieve some of their overarching ambitions with the title. That puts them in league with like ... almost every developer ever, sometimes **** doesn't work out. Some of you guys act like CCP killed your dog or something, sheesh. Screwing a game up can be forgiven. I'm referring to how they treated the Dust community afterwards. Rouge wedding notwithstanding, They did not take responsibility for their promises and screwups, they got caught between milking the existing playerbase and sweeping the whole affair under the rug. What makes CCP deplorable in this situation is that they attempted to do both at the same time. Respectable individuals do not do that kind of thing. CCP openly does. To make things worse is that when given the opportunity to right the wrongs of the past, they decided to chase a high-risk venture like VR instead. That's a complete lack of integrity. And yes, I am openly hoping for them to fail because right now they deserve the sting of failure. So they made a less than stellar game, announced a complete reboot of the Dust 514 concept with Legion (albeit in a pretty terrible way, the Rouge wedding was lol), went on immediate damage control after Legion and explained that assets would be transferrable from Dust. Later on they noted that they'd never again end up in a situation where they announce or show off pie in the sky 5+ year vision statements with little actual completed progress (there's your 'taking responsibility'), and then recommitted some of their resources with Rattati's team in making Dust on PS3 the best it could be within the limitations they were working under. They were never obligated to do anything with Dust post Rouge wedding and that they have is apology enough in my book. Regarding chasing 'high-risk ventures like VR' instead ... what do you think CCP is supposed to do as a business here? The positive reception around the original EVE VR tech demo was enormously positive and they saw an opportunity to become the face of Year 1-2 VR. Currently there is not a single game that looks better than Valkyrie announced on any VR platform right now and they've set themselves up to be bundled in with every pre-ordered Oculus shipped. That you think any of the above has done anything to their 'integrity' as a company probably means that you'd be better off stepping back for a while, if you genuinely feel 'offended' by the notion of how a multinational corporation decides to spend their money (especially when it's for ya know, videogame projects) then I think you've become too emotionally connected to be objective about all this anymore. Besides, Valkyrie is CCP Atlanta's baby. We have literally no clue what Shanghai's been up to since Rouge. Atlanta isn't anything. It's where devs go to get fired. Anyhow, you seem to be arguing with yourself about my theoretical notions about how businesses work. Since you seem to be going way off kilter allow me to correct your course so you don't crash into the moon. A business exists to make money. However, when a business relies on long-term investments from its customers to stay afloat then the question of ethics and expectations becomes relevant. CCP fails at this incredibly hard. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.